monetization on Youtube

Post by Gill Smith
anyone tried this?
are there any catches?
e.g. if you don't like the way things are going, how easy is it to back out
of?
--http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

I've shied away from it because they start adding all kinds of really
annoying adds to your videos. I don't want to subject the subscribers
to that.

Gill Smith

2012-02-21 15:40:33 UTC

Post by ScotGormley
I've shied away from it because they start adding all kinds of really
annoying adds to your videos. I don't want to subject the subscribers
to that.

what about the logo that lets you click through directly to iTunes?

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

joel fass

2012-02-21 15:55:54 UTC

Post by Gill Smith
anyone tried this?
are there any catches?
e.g. if you don't like the way things are going, how easy is it to back out
of?
--http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

What is that? Does that mean composers/performers (whose work is used
often w/o permission) will get (choke) PAID! I'm for that. The age of
Internet free lunch is due to end and put me down as willing to fight
to kick it down the stairs.

W/o preaching too much: You pay a doctor; a lawyer; for food;
movies----you get the idea. Why should musicians be robbed? Two
reasons IMO:

1. ASCAP negogiated a shit deal with youtube: songwriters get $7 after
480,000 hits! WTF!! And their (youtube's) back door is 'the artist can
have it taken down'. Bullshit. What if he/she is dead? Lotta
songwriters whose heirs are being screwed. Same with performers long
gone----or so popular they can't keep up with the theft. People just
hold up a cell phone and record the shit---next day it's on youtube
gratis. Disrespectful---and should be illegal.

2. We musicians love to play---to the point of being shmucks. Way too
many people are so desperate for exposure they give away the store:
post songs and videos mostly to get known----not to mention will gig
for next-to-nada---even PAY to play publicly (notably pop groups at
the Bitter End). This would be OK, but IMO it encourages an atmosphere
where people are trained never to pay---and ruins it for hard-working
pros with music WORTH something.

I would pay for youtube. I would even pay for the library (they charge
in Europe, BTW). No one is ENTITLED to anyone's work gratis.

The sad reality---I admit---is that when subscriptions are made
mandatory or even voluntary no one bites. Is anyone here willing to
pony up? Or is the pony already out of the barn door and way down the
meadow?

joel fass

2012-02-21 16:09:52 UTC

Post by Gill Smith
anyone tried this?
are there any catches?
e.g. if you don't like the way things are going, how easy is it to back out
of?
--http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

What is that? Does that mean composers/performers (whose work is used
often w/o permission) will get (choke) PAID! I'm for that. The age of
Internet free lunch is due to end and put me down as willing to fight
to kick it down the stairs.
W/o preaching too much: You pay a doctor; a lawyer; for food;
movies----you get the idea. Why should musicians be robbed? Two
1. ASCAP negogiated a shit deal with youtube: songwriters get $7 after
480,000 hits! WTF!! And their (youtube's) back door is 'the artist can
have it taken down'. Bullshit. What if he/she is dead? Lotta
songwriters whose heirs are being screwed. Same with performers long
gone----or so popular they can't keep up with the theft. People just
hold up a cell phone and record the shit---next day it's on youtube
gratis. Disrespectful---and should be illegal.
2. We musicians love to play---to the point of being shmucks. Way too
post songs and videos mostly to get known----not to mention will gig
for next-to-nada---even PAY to play publicly (notably pop groups at
the Bitter End). This would be OK, but IMO it encourages an atmosphere
where people are trained never to pay---and ruins it for hard-working
pros with music WORTH something.
I would pay for youtube. I would even pay for the library (they charge
in Europe, BTW). No one is ENTITLED to anyone's work gratis.
The sad reality---I admit---is that when subscriptions are made
mandatory or even voluntary no one bites. Is anyone here willing to
pony up? Or is the pony already out of the barn door and way down the
meadow?

Of course I meant 2 EXAMPLES, not reasons why musicians shouldn't get
their daily bread........

Tim McNamara

2012-02-21 19:59:37 UTC

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Post by joel fass
No one is ENTITLED to anyone's work gratis.

People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what? It is the
responsibility of the person *posting* the video to YouTube to pay the
royalties, not the viewers- and few people posting videos to YouTube pay
the royalties required under copyright law. It's the posters and not
the viewers who are ripping off the songwriters.

You post a YouTube video? You pay the royalties. You maybe able to
compensate yourself through YouTube's monetization program. Or maybe
not.

--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.

Theodore Roosevelt

andy-uk

2012-02-21 21:28:10 UTC

Post by Tim McNamara
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Post by joel fass
No one is ENTITLED to anyone's work gratis.

People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what? It is the
responsibility of the person *posting* the video to YouTube to pay the
royalties, not the viewers- and few people posting videos to YouTube pay
the royalties required under copyright law. It's the posters and not
the viewers who are ripping off the songwriters.
You post a YouTube video? You pay the royalties. You maybe able to
compensate yourself through YouTube's monetization program. Or maybe
not.
--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.
Theodore Roosevelt

Tim is an advocate of American Free-dum.

andy-uk

2012-02-21 21:41:51 UTC

Post by andy-uk
Tim is an advocate of American Free-dum.

Tim and Ger with no guitar talent can watch Youtube after working
their cosy phoney jobs built on B.S. and rip off any jazz
musician ... its their god given American right!! .....free-dum .

They can then come onto rec jazz and slag off REAL musicians and
players... in-fact they are probably "at work" while they are doing
it .. calling you an asshole , demotivating you all . Free-dum.

I hate them :)

Gill Smith

2012-02-21 22:30:45 UTC

Post by andy-uk

Post by andy-uk
Tim is an advocate of American Free-dum.

Tim and Ger with no guitar talent can watch Youtube after working
their cosy phoney jobs built on B.S. and rip off any jazz
musician ... its their god given American right!! .....free-dum .
They can then come onto rec jazz and slag off REAL musicians and
players... in-fact they are probably "at work" while they are doing
it .. calling you an asshole , demotivating you all . Free-dum.
I hate them :)

look upon him as a patron

the financial situation is so bad, real musicians are effectively amateurs!

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

Tim McNamara

2012-02-22 00:14:40 UTC

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Post by Tim McNamara
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Post by joel fass
No one is ENTITLED to anyone's work gratis.

People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what? It
is the responsibility of the person *posting* the video to YouTube
to pay the royalties, not the viewers- and few people posting
videos to YouTube pay the royalties required under copyright law.
It's the posters and not the viewers who are ripping off the
songwriters.
You post a YouTube video? You pay the royalties. You maybe able
to compensate yourself through YouTube's monetization program. Or
maybe not.

Tim is an advocate of American Free-dum.

Just stating what the law is in this country. For the record, I think
the law is seriously wrong-headed and that copyright protection should
still be limited to 20 years as it used to be, not the lifetime + up to
140 years we have now thanks to Disney. However the duration of
copyright protection is not germaine to the discussion.

As it stands, if you use someone else's copyrighted art in the
production of your own art (such as covering a song), *you* pay the
royalties through one or more of several licensing fees (mechanical
license, synch license, etc.). There are agencies such as Harry Fox and
some others which facilitate the collection and remittance of royalties.
The law also specifies what the royalty payments are for each type of
license (except ringtones, the royalties for which far exceed those for
recordings sold by hard medium or as digital files, streaming and video-
these are set by the industry rather than by statute). These are paid
per copy- if I plan to print 1000 copies of a song, I pay royalties for
1,000 copies even if I only sell 5 copies. If I buy a license for 1,000
copies and I sell or otherwise distribute all of them, then I have to
buy more licenses before I can print any more copies. It's my problem
as the person using the song, not the music buying public's problem or
the songwriter's problem.

I have no idea what the copyright law is in any other country. My
understanding is that there is an annual tax on TVs in the UK which
mostly goes toward paying royalties.

If I were to put a video up on YouTube, I'd be the one to pay the
royalties, not the viewers. Paying royalties is just not the audience's
problem here in the US. Whether I make any money is not the
songwriter's problem. The people watching on YouTube are not the ones
ripping off the songwriters and composers; the jazz musicians putting
videos up without paying royalties are the ones doing the rip-off.

--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.

Theodore Roosevelt

joel fass

2012-02-21 23:04:35 UTC

Post by Tim McNamara
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People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what?
Thanks for proving my point about the fat-ass sense of entitlement out there. Couldn't have said it better. Nice job.........

joel fass

2012-02-21 23:07:29 UTC

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Tim McNamara

2012-02-22 00:16:50 UTC

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Post by Tim McNamara
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People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what?

Thanks for proving my point about the fat-ass sense of entitlement out
there. Couldn't have said it better. Nice job.........

And thanks for clarifying that you have not bothered to gather any
knowledge of how royalties for songwriters and other such creative types
are paid.

--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.

Theodore Roosevelt

joel fass

2012-02-22 00:40:40 UTC

Post by Tim McNamara
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Post by Tim McNamara
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People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what?

Thanks for proving my point about the fat-ass sense of entitlement out
there. Couldn't have said it better. Nice job.........

And thanks for clarifying that you have not bothered to gather any
knowledge of how royalties for songwriters and other such creative types
are paid.
--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.
Theodore Roosevelt

You're starting to either piss me off or bore me. I have better things
to do, fortunately.

Tim McNamara

2012-02-22 02:29:03 UTC

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m>,
People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what?

Thanks for proving my point about the fat-ass sense of
entitlement out there. Couldn't have said it better. Nice
job.........

And thanks for clarifying that you have not bothered to gather any
knowledge of how royalties for songwriters and other such creative
types are paid.

You're starting to either piss me off or bore me. I have better
things to do, fortunately.

Like maybe learn WTF you're talking about? Cool!

Copyright law works the way it works. YouTube works the way it works.
Deal with it. It's as simple as that. If you don't want to not get
paid for your artistic works by the people who watch or listen, don't
put it on YouTube. Duh. If you're putting something on YouTube that is
based on an artistic work by someone else- like a cover song- pay the
royalties. Then nobody gets ripped off.

How is this so hard to understand?

--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.

Theodore Roosevelt

joel fass

2012-02-22 23:15:51 UTC

Post by Tim McNamara
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Post by Tim McNamara
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Post by Tim McNamara
In article
m>,
People watch YouTube videos without paying for them; so what?

Thanks for proving my point about the fat-ass sense of
entitlement out there. Couldn't have said it better. Nice
job.........

And thanks for clarifying that you have not bothered to gather any
knowledge of how royalties for songwriters and other such creative
types are paid.

You're starting to either piss me off or bore me. I have better
things to do, fortunately.

Like maybe learn WTF you're talking about? Cool!
Copyright law works the way it works. YouTube works the way it works.
Deal with it. It's as simple as that. If you don't want to not get
paid for your artistic works by the people who watch or listen, don't
put it on YouTube. Duh. If you're putting something on YouTube that is
based on an artistic work by someone else- like a cover song- pay the
royalties. Then nobody gets ripped off.
How is this so hard to understand?
--
This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in
unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in.
Theodore Roosevelt

I have a good solution for us both. Let's ignore each other from now
on. I'll go first.

joel fass

2012-02-23 15:40:55 UTC

Does anyone have anything intelligent AND NON-CONFRONTATIONAL to say
about this issue?

B/c I can tell you that it's an issue being discussed among musicians
and composers.

A few weeks ago there was a discussion among Smalls performers along
with 2 Local 802 reps: Bob Cranshaw and Todd Weeks. The matter of
intellectual property was foremost among issues discussed. Many good
ideas were broached re performers in the club itself. Spike was very
responsive. Now the fight ought to be taken to royalty societies who
do squat to collect. The excuse that 'it's too big to keep up with'
won't wash. This is their job. If a composer is due even 11 cents give
him the 11 cents. He/she did the work. No more free lunch.

thomas

2012-02-23 15:56:37 UTC

Post by joel fass
Now the fight ought to be taken to royalty societies who
do squat to collect. The excuse that 'it's too big to keep up with'
won't wash. This is their job. If a composer is due even 11 cents give
him the 11 cents.

The royalty societies suck in so many ways. They have no incentive to
distribute to the little guys, and so they give it away to the big
guys. It would be great for the industry if everyone due eleven cents
could actually get their eleven cents.

joel fass

2012-02-25 15:36:41 UTC

Post by thomas

I'm going to see who among my colleagues will take up the fight. If no
one, I'll accept it like and not be a sore loser---but watch and wait.
Eventually the levee will flood and someone will HAVE to do something.
Then I'll join the battle. Since every professional's future hangs in
the balance I feel this is a fight worth picking and fighting.

Something we can do NOW: Education. Go to the schools and play. Don't
talk, PLAY. After you win them over is the time to talk. Myself, I'd
find out about them first---their lives---so I could plan how to do it
(reach them) better next time. Finally---still reading the kid(s) and
assuming I've cleared this with the responsible adults there---I might
say something about keeping this beautiful thing going by paying to
hear music or buying CDs when they're old enough. I'd explain that
even though they probably won't choose music as a profession those of
us who do need to survive like everyone else. Once you've gotten them
on your side by playing well what kid wouldn't buy that? It's trusting
your audience---but more so first PROVING YOURSELF.

AND get involved with organizations and schools that bring kids to
venues. Seeing musicians in the workplace is invaluable. They are
smart and will instantly recognize that people are doing this on the
spot, are enjoying it, it's cool, etc.

a***@gmail.com

2019-04-10 20:46:39 UTC

Post by thomas

I'm going to see who among my colleagues will take up the fight. If no
one, I'll accept it like and not be a sore loser---but watch and wait.
Eventually the levee will flood and someone will HAVE to do something.
Then I'll join the battle. Since every professional's future hangs in
the balance I feel this is a fight worth picking and fighting.
Something we can do NOW: Education. Go to the schools and play. Don't
talk, PLAY. After you win them over is the time to talk. Myself, I'd
find out about them first---their lives---so I could plan how to do it
(reach them) better next time. Finally---still reading the kid(s) and
assuming I've cleared this with the responsible adults there---I might
say something about keeping this beautiful thing going by paying to
hear music or buying CDs when they're old enough. I'd explain that
even though they probably won't choose music as a profession those of
us who do need to survive like everyone else. Once you've gotten them
on your side by playing well what kid wouldn't buy that? It's trusting
your audience---but more so first PROVING YOURSELF.
AND get involved with organizations and schools that bring kids to
venues. Seeing musicians in the workplace is invaluable. They are
smart and will instantly recognize that people are doing this on the
spot, are enjoying it, it's cool, etc.

Greg D

2012-02-21 21:15:53 UTC

Post by Gill Smith
anyone tried this?
are there any catches?
e.g. if you don't like the way things are going, how easy is it to back out
of?
--http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

It's a good way to make a little extra money, imo. You have to own all
the rights to the video and soundtrack, though. I don't know how easy
it is to back out. I've got a vid up there, but have only been able to
attain rights from 1 of 2 parties. Youtbe periodically prompts me to
let them use to for advertising.

David F Cox

2012-02-22 00:15:45 UTC

Post by Gill Smith
anyone tried this?
are there any catches?
e.g. if you don't like the way things are going, how easy is it to back
out of?
--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

If I was going to advertise via youtube it would be my work. I hope you all
have lots of links to your other works, how people can contact you, buy your
stuff. Loads of opportunities.

I believe cancelling is easy, if not, just delete the video and reload it
without ads.

Lord Valve

2019-04-10 21:00:13 UTC