Metheny-Jaco-Moses bootleg in pretty good sound

[pmfan57]

You can hear everybody clearly. There are other new Pat Metheny
things newly posted at this site as well:

http://urge2burge.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/pat-metheny-trio-poos-pub-boston-june-1974/

[invisaman75]

You can hear everybody clearly.  There are other new Pat Metheny
http://urge2burge.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/pat-metheny-trio-poos-pub-...

There is some great stuff on this site!

[Peter]

That was a great find! Thanks! That was my favorite period from Pat
--- the "Bright Size" years. I've never heard bootlegs from this
period, and it was fascinating hearing these "new" versions of his
songs. One thing that strikes me as interesting, is that his style and
sound seem fully formed, even back in 1974, if these dates are
correct. Also, I never knew that "April Joy" was a tune that had been
around for a few years prior to it showing up on his "Group" album.
Very cool!

Peter

[h***@gmail.com]

Post by Peter
One thing that strikes me as interesting, is that his style and
sound seem fully formed, even back in 1974, if these dates are
correct...

He seems to play a bit more aggressively on these live recordings than
he did on his studio recordings of that period.

It must have been stunning to hear Jaco play at the time. Nobody else
sounded like him. Of course, now there are legions of bassists who
display his influence.

[charles robinson]

Post by pmfan57
You can hear everybody clearly. There are other new Pat Metheny
http://urge2burge.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/pat-metheny-trio-poos-pub-boston-june-1974/

Thanks, I never heard his early pre super- effects recordings before. This
has given me new respect for his playing.
Charlie

[Al]

He would have been, what, 19 years old at the time these were made? Wow.

[charles robinson]

Post by Al
He would have been, what, 19 years old at the time these were made? Wow.

Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

[pmfan57]

Post by charles robinson
Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

I'm in the minority in that I don't like Pat's early playing, and
particularly Bright Size Life and Watercolors. I only like his
playing starting around 1981 or so, and I love the way he plays over
the last 15 years or so (especially on Secret Story and PMG). I've
tried so many times to get into the earlier stuff and I just can't.
My loss.

But I figured everyone else would like this.

[charles robinson]

old at the time these were made? Wow.
Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

I'm in the minority in that I don't like Pat's early playing, and
particularly Bright Size Life and Watercolors. I only like his
playing starting around 1981 or so, and I love the way he plays over
the last 15 years or so (especially on Secret Story and PMG). I've
tried so many times to get into the earlier stuff and I just can't.
My loss.

But I figured everyone else would like this.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I liked some of his later things also especially the one with Ed Blackwell
and Charlie Haden, the one with Ornette , the one with Dave Holland and Roy
Haynes. and the duo with Charlie Haden.
Charlie

[Al]

Somebody handed me Bright Size Life around 1978. I'd never heard anybody
play quite that way before. On those early records there was a looseness
and an unapologetic "guitarness" about his playing that struck me. Up to
that point I was trying to phrase everything like a tight bop sax player.
Pat wasn't afraid to strum that thing like Richie Havens. To me he was
fresh. He opened me up and changed the way I think about guitar. He
definitely opened me up. BSL is one of my all time favorites.

[Nil]

Post by Al
Somebody handed me Bright Size Life around 1978. I'd never heard
anybody play quite that way before. On those early records there
was a looseness and an unapologetic "guitarness" about his playing
that struck me. Up to that point I was trying to phrase
everything like a tight bop sax player. Pat wasn't afraid to
strum that thing like Richie Havens. To me he was fresh. He
opened me up and changed the way I think about guitar. He
definitely opened me up. BSL is one of my all time favorites.

Me, too. After BSL I hunted down the records he made with Gary Burton,
and I loved those, too. I like most (not all) of his later records, but
those early ones were very strong and appealing to me.

[pmfan57]

Post by Nil

Post by Al
Somebody handed me Bright Size Life around 1978. I'd never heard
anybody play quite that way before. On those early records there
was a looseness and an unapologetic "guitarness" about his playing
that struck me. Up to that point I was trying to phrase
everything like a tight bop sax player. Pat wasn't afraid to
strum that thing like Richie Havens. To me he was fresh. He
opened me up and changed the way I think about guitar. He
definitely opened me up. BSL is one of my all time favorites.

Me, too. After BSL I hunted down the records he made with Gary Burton,
and I loved those, too. I like most (not all) of his later records, but
those early ones were very strong and appealing to me.

To each his own. I just find his playing with Burton to be
unlistenable, even after become a huge fan of his later playing.
Goodrick's playing with Burton, or even Coryell's, Hahn's or Sam
Brown's, I still enjoy very much.

He still has the guitarness, which is nice, but now I like the lines
he's playing, whereas I didn't before.

[Nil]

Post by pmfan57
To each his own. I just find his playing with Burton to be
unlistenable, even after become a huge fan of his later playing.
Goodrick's playing with Burton, or even Coryell's, Hahn's or Sam
Brown's, I still enjoy very much.

I might have overstated my appreciation a little bit. I liked (not
necessarily loved) his playing in the Burton groups a lot. He was
obviously unrefined and still searching, but I could tell he had "it" -
his own voice and approach. He's obviously improved a lot, but he's
almost too slick now. I liked it when he made some mistakes! And I
liked the Burton records with both Metheny and Goodrick. Haven't
listened to them for years - this is reminding me to fire up my old
LPs!

[pmfan57]

Post by Nil

Post by pmfan57
To each his own. I just find his playing with Burton to be
unlistenable, even after become a huge fan of his later playing.
Goodrick's playing with Burton, or even Coryell's, Hahn's or Sam
Brown's, I still enjoy very much.

I might have overstated my appreciation a little bit. I liked (not
necessarily loved) his playing in the Burton groups a lot. He was
obviously unrefined and still searching, but I could tell he had "it" -
his own voice and approach. He's obviously improved a lot, but he's
almost too slick now. I liked it when he made some mistakes! And I
liked the Burton records with both Metheny and Goodrick. Haven't
listened to them for years - this is reminding me to fire up my old
LPs!

Get out Duster and Lofty Fake Anagram too. Those are some cool albums.

[Ric]

Post by charles robinson
Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

Huh?

Outside of his synth thing, I wouldn't consider Pat a user/abuser of
many effects. Especially for a player of his generation. I consider
his avoidance of effects - especially distortion - as refreshing. Not
that I'm anti-fuzz box.

I'll admit I don't consider Pat's delay setup much of an 'effect'
given the copious application of reverb and delay most players employ
or are subject to during production.

While attending the Creative Music Studio in the mid-70's I recall
players from Boston raving about Pat and Jaco playing with Bob Moses.
By the time I returned home BST was in the stores and we all knew the
scene had changed.

[pmfan57]

Post by Ric

Post by charles robinson
Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

Huh?
Outside of his synth thing, I wouldn't consider Pat a user/abuser of
many effects. Especially for a player of his generation. I consider
his avoidance of effects - especially distortion - as refreshing. Not
that I'm anti-fuzz box.
I'll admit I don't consider Pat's delay setup much of an 'effect'
given the copious application of reverb and delay most players employ
or are subject to during production.
While attending the Creative Music Studio in the mid-70's I recall
players from Boston raving about Pat and Jaco playing with Bob Moses.
By the time I returned home BST was in the stores and we all knew the
scene had changed.

It's Pat's classic "rig" sound that many traditional players don't
like. Pat used to insist on his entire rig even for jam sessions,
figuring he need to get "his sound" in any context. He changed over
the years and no longer feels that is so, even as he has in fact
changed his sound. He said he did a jam in eastern Europe or Russia
and played on local instruments and amps, and when he listened back,
lo and behold, it still sounded like Pat Metheny.

[Ric]

Post by pmfan57

Post by Ric

Post by charles robinson
Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

Huh?
Outside of his synth thing, I wouldn't consider Pat a user/abuser of
many effects.  Especially for a player of his generation.  I consider
his avoidance of effects - especially distortion - as refreshing. Not
that I'm anti-fuzz box.
I'll admit I don't consider Pat's delay setup much of an 'effect'
given the copious application of reverb and delay most players employ
or are subject to during production.
While attending the Creative Music Studio in the mid-70's I recall
players from Boston raving about Pat and Jaco playing with Bob Moses.
By the time I returned home BST was in the stores and we all knew the
scene had changed.

It's Pat's classic "rig" sound that many traditional players don't
like.  Pat used to insist on his entire rig even for jam sessions,
figuring he need to get "his sound" in any context.  He changed over
the years and no longer feels that is so, even as he has in fact
changed his sound.  He said he did a jam in eastern Europe or Russia
and played on local instruments and amps, and when he listened back,
lo and behold, it still sounded like Pat Metheny.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I think Pat lines are more of an identifier than his sound - at least
nowadays.

[pmfan57]

Post by Ric

Post by pmfan57

Post by Ric

Post by charles robinson
Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

Huh?
Outside of his synth thing, I wouldn't consider Pat a user/abuser of
many effects.  Especially for a player of his generation.  I consider
his avoidance of effects - especially distortion - as refreshing. Not
that I'm anti-fuzz box.
I'll admit I don't consider Pat's delay setup much of an 'effect'
given the copious application of reverb and delay most players employ
or are subject to during production.
While attending the Creative Music Studio in the mid-70's I recall
players from Boston raving about Pat and Jaco playing with Bob Moses.
By the time I returned home BST was in the stores and we all knew the
scene had changed.

It's Pat's classic "rig" sound that many traditional players don't
like.  Pat used to insist on his entire rig even for jam sessions,
figuring he need to get "his sound" in any context.  He changed over
the years and no longer feels that is so, even as he has in fact
changed his sound.  He said he did a jam in eastern Europe or Russia
and played on local instruments and amps, and when he listened back,
lo and behold, it still sounded like Pat Metheny.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I think Pat lines are more of an identifier than his sound - at least
nowadays.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They always were. But Pat almost kind of implies, I think in the
recent Downbeat interview, that it took him some time to fully realize
that he still sounded like Pat Metheny even on a cheapy guitar through
a regular amp.

[Al]

When they did their record together, Jim Hall told the story that he showed
up at the studio with a guitar, a cord, and an amp. Pat showed up with an
entire truckload of gear.
years old at the time these were made? Wow.

Post by pmfan57

Post by Ric

Post by charles robinson
Yeah, it sounds like it was all pretty much there already. I would have
preferred it if he had stayed on the no effects track but what do I know?
It's quite possible that if he had done it my way we would all be saying
"who?" when his name was mentioned. I was living in Florida when he was at
the University of Miami and we were already hearing rumors about this kid
who they couldn't teach anything who was going into the cafeteria every day
with just a drummer and burning the house down.
Charlie

Huh?
Outside of his synth thing, I wouldn't consider Pat a user/abuser of
many effects. Especially for a player of his generation. I consider
his avoidance of effects - especially distortion - as refreshing. Not
that I'm anti-fuzz box.
I'll admit I don't consider Pat's delay setup much of an 'effect'
given the copious application of reverb and delay most players employ
or are subject to during production.
While attending the Creative Music Studio in the mid-70's I recall
players from Boston raving about Pat and Jaco playing with Bob Moses.
By the time I returned home BST was in the stores and we all knew the
scene had changed.

It's Pat's classic "rig" sound that many traditional players don't
like. Pat used to insist on his entire rig even for jam sessions,
figuring he need to get "his sound" in any context. He changed over
the years and no longer feels that is so, even as he has in fact
changed his sound. He said he did a jam in eastern Europe or Russia
and played on local instruments and amps, and when he listened back,
lo and behold, it still sounded like Pat Metheny.

[Claus Rogge]

Post by Al
When they did their record together, Jim Hall told the story that he showed
up at the studio with a guitar, a cord, and an amp. Pat showed up with an
entire truckload of gear.

Love that.

[pmfan57]

Post by pmfan57
You can hear everybody clearly. There are other new Pat Metheny
http://urge2burge.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/pat-metheny-trio-poos-pub-...

Now you have to log in to hear this stuff. Oh, well.

[h***@gmail.com]

Now you have to log in to hear this stuff.  Oh, well.

I'm generally not a fan of registering on sites unless I absolutely
have to. However, the content of this blog is so good that I thought
it would be worth it to make an exception. (Privacy be damned! Hey,
what's a little warrantless surveillance among friends?...) :) I
signed up for a WordPress account - and I *still* can't log in to this
blog. I wonder if they've closed up shop? Is there anyone here who can
still get in?

[Keith Freeman]

Have you checked if there's a WordPress account you can use at
bugmenot.com?

-Keith

Clips, Portable Changes, tips etc.: www.keithfreemantrio.nl
e-mail: info AT keithfreemantrio DOT nl

[h***@gmail.com]

Post by Keith Freeman
Have you checked if there's a WordPress account you can use at
bugmenot.com?
-Keith

Great service, Keith! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It might
come in handy in the future.

However, to reiterate, my problem is that I registered at WordPress,
and still can't log in to the "urge2burge/You Are What You Hear" blog.
I even tried using WordPress's search function to search within
WordPress for this blog, and came up with no results. I'm fearing the
worst - that is, that the blog suddenly got shut down. That's why I
asked if anyone here is still able to get in somehow.

[tom walls]

Post by h***@gmail.com

Post by Keith Freeman
Have you checked if there's a WordPress account you can use at
bugmenot.com?
-Keith

Great service, Keith! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It might
come in handy in the future.
However, to reiterate, my problem is that I registered at WordPress,
and still can't log in to the "urge2burge/You Are What You Hear" blog.
I even tried using WordPress's search function to search within
WordPress for this blog, and came up with no results. I'm fearing the
worst - that is, that the blog suddenly got shut down. That's why I
asked if anyone here is still able to get in somehow.

Maybe your browser is blocking popups or something. Check your
settings.

[pmfan57]

Post by tom walls

Post by h***@gmail.com

Post by Keith Freeman
Have you checked if there's a WordPress account you can use at
bugmenot.com?
-Keith

Great service, Keith! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It might
come in handy in the future.
However, to reiterate, my problem is that I registered at WordPress,
and still can't log in to the "urge2burge/You Are What You Hear" blog.
I even tried using WordPress's search function to search within
WordPress for this blog, and came up with no results. I'm fearing the
worst - that is, that the blog suddenly got shut down. That's why I
asked if anyone here is still able to get in somehow.

Maybe your browser is blocking popups or something. Check your
settings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Are you able to get in. As Joe said, this site was amazing.

[tom walls]

Are you able to get in.  As Joe said, this site was amazing.

Yow -- I can't get in either. I don't remember ever signing in
previously. Glad I already downloaded a ton of stuff. Meanwhile, those
of you in mourning might want to check out this site
http://www.letmusichappen.com/index.php

[Kevin Collins]

Post by tom walls
Yow -- I can't get in either. I don't remember ever signing in
previously. Glad I already downloaded a ton of stuff. Meanwhile, those
of you in mourning might want to check out this sitehttp://www.letmusichappen.com/index.php

Nice find! There's also http://jazzbootleg.blogspot.com/ and "Dr.
Fusion" (http://troward.blogspot.com), not quite as handy as the one
you mentioned because they use Rapidshare, but both with some very
worthwhile material.

[h***@gmail.com]

Post by tom walls
Yow -- I can't get in either. I don't remember ever signing in
previously. Glad I already downloaded a ton of stuff. Meanwhile, those
of you in mourning might want to check out this sitehttp://www.letmusichappen.com/index.php

"You Are What You Hear" is again active as of several days ago. Woo-
hoo!

[pmfan57]

Post by h***@gmail.com

Post by tom walls
Yow -- I can't get in either. I don't remember ever signing in
previously. Glad I already downloaded a ton of stuff. Meanwhile, those
of you in mourning might want to check out this sitehttp://www.letmusichappen.com/index.php

"You Are What You Hear" is again active as of several days ago. Woo-
hoo!

Do you need to sign up now?

[pmfan57]

Post by pmfan57

Post by h***@gmail.com

Post by tom walls
Yow -- I can't get in either. I don't remember ever signing in
previously. Glad I already downloaded a ton of stuff. Meanwhile, those
of you in mourning might want to check out this sitehttp://www.letmusichappen.com/index.php

"You Are What You Hear" is again active as of several days ago. Woo-
hoo!

Do you need to sign up now?

Hooray! I see that you don't need to sign up.

[h***@jhu.edu]

Same problem here. The blog was accessible for me on Mon, but not
today, even after login.

Let me know if anyone finds a solution (or blog is gone).

Thanks,
Andy

Post by h***@gmail.com

Post by Keith Freeman
Have you checked if there's a WordPress account you can use at
bugmenot.com?
-Keith

Great service, Keith! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It might
come in handy in the future.
However, to reiterate, my problem is that I registered at WordPress,
and still can't log in to the "urge2burge/You Are What You Hear" blog.
I even tried using WordPress's search function to search within
WordPress for this blog, and came up with no results. I'm fearing the
worst - that is, that the blog suddenly got shut down. That's why I
asked if anyone here is still able to get in somehow.