Discussion:
D'Angelico NY-16
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invisaman75
2007-08-21 02:23:00 UTC
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Has anyone played the new DA NY-16 (or 17) or maybe have info on where
they are made and who makes them?

Thanks!
Martacus
2007-08-21 12:15:52 UTC
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Post by invisaman75
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180150344571
Has anyone played the new DA NY-16 (or 17) or maybe have info on where
they are made and who makes them?
Thanks!
I have a NYSD-9 on order (since May); I called D'A yesterday and was
told it's shipping end of next week. I still don't know where they're
being made, but I'm assuming they're a country of origin listed on the
guitar itself. I'll let you know about that one when it arrives. It
might or might not be the same factory as the NY-16, but it's
something...

Marty
Derek
2007-08-21 15:37:19 UTC
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I read they have a new manufacturer in Japan, just not Vestax.
steinbergerstyler
2007-08-21 16:29:50 UTC
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Post by Derek
I read they have a new manufacturer in Japan, just not Vestax.
OK, there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about this, so I offer
this clarification. I got the following from a very authoritative
source, a major D'Angelcio retailer in Japan: Vestax is not a guitar
manufacturer. They never have been. They are a distributor, and they
distrubuted and marketed, not manufactured, the D'Angelico guitars.
All the Japanese-made D'Angelico guitars have always been made in the
"Terada" factory in in Nagoya, Japan. There was some sort of dispute
between D'Angelico Guitars of America and Vestax, and therefore Vestax
stopped distributing DAs in the US, however, the Terada factory has
continued to manufacture them and they have been available in Japan,
through Vestax, the entire time they were unavailable in the US.

D'Angelico Guitars of America apparently has a new distrubitor and is
now selling the guitars again, however, they are still being made in
the same factory, presumably by the same people, as they always have
been. The main difference is that the new ones supposedly have carved
tops. I keep seeing auctions on ebay touting their guitars as "Vestax-
made", which is pretty meaningless. Of course, I have no idea if the
new guitars differ in quality from the old ones, but it appears they
are made by the same people.

This is of course all independent form the Korean-made Excel line
(which are BTW extremely nice instruments for the price).

I am very interested to hear anyone's experience with the new carved
topped DAs - given the DA obssession here its quite surprising to me
that no one has apparently played one yet.
David J. Littleboy
2007-08-21 22:17:55 UTC
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Post by steinbergerstyler
I am very interested to hear anyone's experience with the new carved
topped DAs - given the DA obssession here its quite surprising to me
that no one has apparently played one yet.
I've found myself more interested in the D'Aquisto models (also made in the
Nagoya factory) than the D'Angelico models. (That factory is also making
Gretsch rock-n-roll knock-offs for Stay Cats wannabes.)

I played a few and determined that I like the sound of the larger black
Kent Armstrong humbucker better than any of the smaller non-Gibson gold
floaters. (The Gibson floater in the ES-165 sounds great, but it's an
electric sound, not an archtop sound, and I love Ron Affif's sound on 52nd
Street.)

I ended up with one of these. I like it. A lot. My L5 Wes hasn't been played
since.

http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128671.htm

Interestingly, the L5 sounds like goose farts on a muggy summer day on
four-note chords (they get muddy; everything else sounds fine) through my
Polytone MegaBrute, but the Centura sounds fine, so I'm not looking for an
amp any more. (I think the L5 sounds better than the Centura through a twin
reverb, though.) The Centura is a more refined, less in-your-face sound than
the L5; it's really sweet for Bossa. The L5 beats it for clarity and punch.
The Centura sounds closer to the sound Adam Rafferty gets from his Unger on
Blood, Sweat, and Bebop than anything else I can think of. (Of course what I
sound like isn't anything close, sigh.)

Some of these models (both D'Angelico and D'Aquisto) with spruce tops are
laminated; apparently bent and then laminated (presumably that'll hold the
shape better???). I don't know if the Centura is, though. I should call and
ask.

The finish isn't anything to write home about. Most of them have minor
blemishes (mine has two or three). So while the Korean ones are a great deal
at US$800 or US$900, the Japanese ones at US$2200 or so aren't all that
great a deal.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
steinbergerstyler
2007-08-21 23:10:21 UTC
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While they are made in the same factory, the D'Aquistos are totally
different animals from the D'Angelicos - I've owned numerous versions
of both.

The "old" D'Angelicos, as well the D'Aquisto, have so-called pressed
"solid" tops. This is basically a single large piece of spruce that
has two smaller layers of spruce laminated against it, as opposed to
"real" laminated tops, which are, I believe, seven layers, sometimes
with other types of wood, such as birch, in the mix. Also, both have
laminated backs and sides.

Apparently the new D'Angelicos have completely solid, carved tops,
backs and sides. This should make them sound signifcantly better, at
least acoustically, than the old "Vestax" D'Angelicos.

David, I've had my eyes on those D'Aquisto "Walkin' Special" CR's for
a while, but was worried that the extended fretboard might make it
sound too bright - does it really hold up that well to your L5? Care
to share any soundclips?
Post by David J. Littleboy
Post by steinbergerstyler
I am very interested to hear anyone's experience with the new carved
topped DAs - given the DA obssession here its quite surprising to me
that no one has apparently played one yet.
I've found myself more interested in the D'Aquisto models (also made in the
Nagoya factory) than the D'Angelico models. (That factory is also making
Gretsch rock-n-roll knock-offs for Stay Cats wannabes.)
I played a few and determined that I like the sound of the larger black
Kent Armstrong humbucker better than any of the smaller non-Gibson gold
floaters. (The Gibson floater in the ES-165 sounds great, but it's an
electric sound, not an archtop sound, and I love Ron Affif's sound on 52nd
Street.)
I ended up with one of these. I like it. A lot. My L5 Wes hasn't been played
since.
http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128671.htm
Interestingly, the L5 sounds like goose farts on a muggy summer day on
four-note chords (they get muddy; everything else sounds fine) through my
Polytone MegaBrute, but the Centura sounds fine, so I'm not looking for an
amp any more. (I think the L5 sounds better than the Centura through a twin
reverb, though.) The Centura is a more refined, less in-your-face sound than
the L5; it's really sweet for Bossa. The L5 beats it for clarity and punch.
The Centura sounds closer to the sound Adam Rafferty gets from his Unger on
Blood, Sweat, and Bebop than anything else I can think of. (Of course what I
sound like isn't anything close, sigh.)
Some of these models (both D'Angelico and D'Aquisto) with spruce tops are
laminated; apparently bent and then laminated (presumably that'll hold the
shape better???). I don't know if the Centura is, though. I should call and
ask.
The finish isn't anything to write home about. Most of them have minor
blemishes (mine has two or three). So while the Korean ones are a great deal
at US$800 or US$900, the Japanese ones at US$2200 or so aren't all that
great a deal.
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
David J. Littleboy
2007-08-22 01:36:41 UTC
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Post by steinbergerstyler
The "old" D'Angelicos, as well the D'Aquisto, have so-called pressed
"solid" tops. This is basically a single large piece of spruce that
has two smaller layers of spruce laminated against it, as opposed to
"real" laminated tops, which are, I believe, seven layers, sometimes
with other types of wood, such as birch, in the mix. Also, both have
laminated backs and sides.
Apparently the new D'Angelicos have completely solid, carved tops,
backs and sides. This should make them sound signifcantly better, at
least acoustically, than the old "Vestax" D'Angelicos.
The fine print on the Walkin' site indicates that most of their current
D'Angelico and D'Aquistos are the "pressed solid" tops you describe above.
Examples of this type include:

http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128881.htm
http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128791.htm
http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128839.htm
http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128785.htm

Interestingly, this is not specified for the two models I was interested in:
the thin-body New Yorker and the Centura.

http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128702.htm
http://www.walkin.co.jp/guitars/128671.htm

Walkin' is closed today. If I remember, I'll call them and ask them whether
these are solid carved tops or not.
Post by steinbergerstyler
David, I've had my eyes on those D'Aquisto "Walkin' Special" CR's for
a while, but was worried that the extended fretboard might make it
sound too bright - does it really hold up that well to your L5? Care
to share any soundclips?
It's a different sound from the L5; as I mentioned before, more "refined".
Maybe a bit richer harmonic structure as opposed to the L5's clarity. It
does not have the harshness that we heard in Five Sharp's acoustic playing
on that Johnny Smith, nor the harshness of the sound Mark Elf gets on his
D'Angelico. The acoustic sound is very nice, and the electric sound is
surprisingly similar to the acoustic sound. It's not a bright sound at all.
But also not muddy; inner voices on four-note chords can be heard clearly.
For single-note lines, it doesn't quite have the bell-like clarity of
#####'s Johnny Smith, but it's a not a bad sound at all.

I tried the thin body D'Aquisto New Yorker and didn't fall in love. When
trying the thin body, I asked about rewiring the pickup I had installed in
my Ibanez AF105FNT (which was humming horribly) and they said they look at
it for a price I thought reasonable. So when I brought the AF105FNT in for
the repairs, I asked them to let me play the Centura while they were looking
at the AF105FNT. After two hours, I realized that I'd have to buy it or I'd
never leave the store. (They did a great job rewiring the AF105FNT, which I
also haven't touched since the Centura arrived.)

The neck is really easy to play, and I find it much more comfortable than
the L5 overall, even though it's measures the same width and thickness. The
hidden knobs are a seriously bad idea, since you have to go by feel and
can't see where they are at. The tone control has a very narrow section in
the middle of its throw where it quickly moves from brightest to darkest, so
fine adjustment is hard, and it's easy to bump while adjusting the volume.
But it looks cool not having knobs.

Also, the bridge is really silly: it has a sliding piece that's wedge
shaped, and you push it in to the high string side to raise the strings and
pull it out to lower the strings. Mine was set up quite low, and I had to
push it in almost all the way to get the top two strings high enough for my
heavy-handed playing (I practice without an amp, which really isn't a good
idea). I briefly thought about having Walkin' make me a regular wood bridge
(with screw adjustments), but the Centura sounds fine as is, and they charge
an arm and a leg for fitting the base to the top.

Another glitch: the finish almost completely obscures the black dot marks at
the 12th fret, making them effectively invisible in a dark room or if
there's a spotlight in one's face. I need to stick a white marker of some
sort at that place on the side of the neck.

But I really like this guitar.

Sorry, I don't have any recording setup here.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Charlie X
2007-08-22 16:22:45 UTC
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The poster makes a most important point...the sound of the AMP has at
least as much to do with your tone as your guitar. IMHO the amp is 85%
or your sound..maybe 90..the guitar is around 10 or 15%. Its all about
the amp..what do u guys think?

hear my sound clips at http://charliex.org
Mark Cleary
2007-08-22 20:14:51 UTC
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No I would disagree although the amp is important. You have to factor in the
guitar and if it is a built in electric or a floater. Then the actual pickup
has much to do with the sound. I don't think it would amount to 85% but
maybe the largest element in the mix. I guess I would say you need to find a
good amp then try different guitars with the amp this is really the way to
see the differences in sound.

I can play my guitars through cheap amps and they don't sound as good but
still much better than guitars with poor quality pickups. A D'angelico
through a cheap amp still sounds better than a clone L5 with cheap PUPs.

Mark Cleary

http://hollenbeckguitar.com/
Post by Charlie X
The poster makes a most important point...the sound of the AMP has at
least as much to do with your tone as your guitar. IMHO the amp is 85%
or your sound..maybe 90..the guitar is around 10 or 15%. Its all about
the amp..what do u guys think?
hear my sound clips at http://charliex.org
Tone
2007-08-22 20:50:21 UTC
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Post by Mark Cleary
No I would disagree although the amp is important. You have to factor in the
guitar and if it is a built in electric or a floater. Then the actual pickup
has much to do with the sound. I don't think it would amount to 85% but
maybe the largest element in the mix. I guess I would say you need to find a
good amp then try different guitars with the amp this is really the way to
see the differences in sound.
I can play my guitars through cheap amps and they don't sound as good but
still much better than guitars with poor quality pickups. A D'angelico
through a cheap amp still sounds better than a clone L5 with cheap PUPs.
Ok, but does a great guitar with great pickups going through a lousy
amp sound better than a so-so guitar through a great amp? In other
words, if you had to scrimp (which from the names of your guitars you
dont ;) would it be on the amp, or the guitar... if we are talking
strictly about amplified guitar?
Mark Cleary
2007-08-23 00:00:42 UTC
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Good question and my thought is that no matter what the guitar at least an
electric has to have a least a minimum quality of PUPs. My personal thought
is a one of the D'angelico Excels with built-ins for $900 and a quality amp.
If you are talking a guitar of less than $500 then the Amp will cost as much
to get a decent sound. I think if we put a price we can spend in the
equation then it will be a fruitful discussion.

For myself this would be $1200. You can get a D'a Excel an pick up a
polytone for around $200-300 or even a Roland Cube 60 a get good sound. Here
is the crazy issue of the equation, you could spend $4k for a great guitar
and $750 for an Amp and and would you really get 4 times the sound? I think
you could play louded and in more situations but the actually tone of the
guitar in a small room may not be that great in difference.

The moral is you can do better with less most of the time.
--
Mark Cleary makes music on the finest Jazz guitars.
http://hollenbeckguitar.com/
Post by Tone
Post by Mark Cleary
No I would disagree although the amp is important. You have to factor in the
guitar and if it is a built in electric or a floater. Then the actual pickup
has much to do with the sound. I don't think it would amount to 85% but
maybe the largest element in the mix. I guess I would say you need to find a
good amp then try different guitars with the amp this is really the way to
see the differences in sound.
I can play my guitars through cheap amps and they don't sound as good but
still much better than guitars with poor quality pickups. A D'angelico
through a cheap amp still sounds better than a clone L5 with cheap PUPs.
Ok, but does a great guitar with great pickups going through a lousy
amp sound better than a so-so guitar through a great amp? In other
words, if you had to scrimp (which from the names of your guitars you
dont ;) would it be on the amp, or the guitar... if we are talking
strictly about amplified guitar?
Charlie X
2007-08-21 16:46:09 UTC
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The poster is correct. Very simply..the Excels are made in Korea
likely by Samick or a counterpart and the New Yorkers (about 1500
dollars more than Excels) are made in Japan and are solid tops.
I have an excel on ebay..its wonderful...if it does not sell i will
keep it...kent armstrong pups and great playablity...the problem with
the NYs is that they do not make anything except a 25 1/2 inch
scale...the excels are available in 25. There is a one NY that is 24.
3/4 but is a small les paul type...very nice though.

hear my soundclips at http://charliex.org
steinbergerstyler
2007-08-21 17:20:46 UTC
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Post by Charlie X
The poster is correct. Very simply..the Excels are made in Korea
likely by Samick or a counterpart and the New Yorkers (about 1500
dollars more than Excels) are made in Japan and are solid tops.
I have an excel on ebay..its wonderful...if it does not sell i will
keep it...kent armstrong pups and great playablity...the problem with
the NYs is that they do not make anything except a 25 1/2 inch
scale...the excels are available in 25. There is a one NY that is 24.
3/4 but is a small les paul type...very nice though.
hear my soundclips athttp://charliex.org
The NYSS-3 - the semihollow - has 24.75" scale.
invisaman75
2007-08-21 17:23:41 UTC
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Post by Charlie X
The poster is correct. Very simply..the Excels are made in Korea
likely by Samick or a counterpart and the New Yorkers (about 1500
dollars more than Excels) are made in Japan and are solid tops.
I have an excel on ebay..its wonderful...if it does not sell i will
keep it...kent armstrong pups and great playablity...the problem with
the NYs is that they do not make anything except a 25 1/2 inch
scale...the excels are available in 25. There is a one NY that is 24.
3/4 but is a small les paul type...very nice though.
hear my soundclips athttp://charliex.org
The specs for the NY-16 says 25 inch scale.
Derek
2007-08-21 18:38:47 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up steinbergerstyler, makes sense.
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