If Stevie Ray Vaughan Went to Berklee and Studied Jazz

[JW]

Check out this song by a guitarist named Jon Finn!

http://www.jonfinn.com/mp3/09_stevieRayVaughan.mp3

Take Care;
Jim

[Wayne G]

What's this have to do with SRV and Berklee?

Just sounds to me like any other guy from Jersey playing licks from Jersey.

Anyone can learn that without going to Berklee.

Post by JW
Check out this song by a guitarist named Jon Finn!
http://www.jonfinn.com/mp3/09_stevieRayVaughan.mp3
Take Care;
Jim

[GGarava352]

sounds just a bit jazzier than your typical blues. I have always thought
Stevie's "Stangs Swang" was his jazziest effort but I am a blues player. What
do you jazzer's think of "Stangs Swang"?


Gerry

[thomas]

Post by GGarava352
sounds just a bit jazzier than your typical blues. I have always thought
Stevie's "Stangs Swang" was his jazziest effort but I am a blues player. What
do you jazzer's think of "Stangs Swang"?

I never heard that one, but he did cover a Kenny Burrell tune and
did a credible job. SRV was also on a Blue Note record on a sax
player whose name I am spacing right now.

[Jack Zucker]

My favorite was the E blues licks over the Cm7 F5 in Riviera Paradise...
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Post by GGarava352
sounds just a bit jazzier than your typical blues. I have always thought
Stevie's "Stangs Swang" was his jazziest effort but I am a blues player. What
do you jazzer's think of "Stangs Swang"?

I never heard that one, but he did cover a Kenny Burrell tune and
did a credible job. SRV was also on a Blue Note record on a sax
player whose name I am spacing right now.

[Peter Grey]

That's funny! Riviera Paradise makes me nuts to listen to - it's my least
favorite song of SRV's. In general I really like SRV's playing, but to me
he sounds lost on this tune and just noodling.

Peter

Post by Jack Zucker
My favorite was the E blues licks over the Cm7 F5 in Riviera Paradise...
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Post by thomas

Post by GGarava352
sounds just a bit jazzier than your typical blues. I have always thought
Stevie's "Stangs Swang" was his jazziest effort but I am a blues

player.

Post by Jack Zucker
What

Post by thomas

Post by GGarava352
do you jazzer's think of "Stangs Swang"?

I never heard that one, but he did cover a Kenny Burrell tune and
did a credible job. SRV was also on a Blue Note record on a sax
player whose name I am spacing right now.

[Jack Zucker]

Post by Peter Grey
That's funny! Riviera Paradise makes me nuts to listen to - it's my least
favorite song of SRV's. In general I really like SRV's playing, but to me
he sounds lost on this tune and just noodling.
Peter

The sad part is that I'm a *HUGE* SRV fan. That's one of the few cuts I
don't like all the way through but parts of that tune are great too. Just
the soloing, particularly over the Dm7-G7 and Cm7-F7 (using E blues licks)
is bad.

If only he'd dropped down a step and played the right blues scale. With a
little homework, he could have pulled it off. Larry Carlton does some
wonderful stuff using blues scales based on the 5th of a min7 chord and the
b3 of a 7th chord. That's probably beyond SRV's jazz ability but at the very
least he could have played the blues scale with the tonic as the root of
each II chord in the sequence. I guess it goes to show the blues/rock
approach of finding out what "key" a song is and just sticking with one
tonality for the same song.

[Peter Grey]

Post by Jack Zucker

Post by Peter Grey
That's funny! Riviera Paradise makes me nuts to listen to - it's my least
favorite song of SRV's. In general I really like SRV's playing, but to me
he sounds lost on this tune and just noodling.
Peter

The sad part is that I'm a *HUGE* SRV fan. That's one of the few cuts I
don't like all the way through but parts of that tune are great too. Just
the soloing, particularly over the Dm7-G7 and Cm7-F7 (using E blues licks)
is bad.
If only he'd dropped down a step and played the right blues scale. With a
little homework, he could have pulled it off. Larry Carlton does some
wonderful stuff using blues scales based on the 5th of a min7 chord and the
b3 of a 7th chord. That's probably beyond SRV's jazz ability but at the very
least he could have played the blues scale with the tonic as the root of
each II chord in the sequence. I guess it goes to show the blues/rock
approach of finding out what "key" a song is and just sticking with one
tonality for the same song.

There's a blues singer names Susan Tedeski (sp?) who's been getting some air
play locally. On one tune the guitar player plays a dominant chord as the
keyboard player plays the same chord, but as a minor chord. The tune could
work either way - dominant or major. One would think that - being
professionals - during the rehearsal/taping/listening process someone would
have gotten the players together to figure out what the hell the changes
were. I always wonder how it made it out the door...

Peter

[Jurupari]

Post by Peter Grey
One would think that - being
professionals - during the rehearsal/taping/listening process someone would
have gotten the players together to figure out what the hell the changes
were. I always wonder how it made it out the door...

I haven't heard it, but the notes in question are blue notes.

It could be arranged to work well, but usually the b3 is in the same register
or the higher one, but they're shared between instruments in horn sections all
the time, and in live situations, I used to share voicings of horn section
sounding stuff with the B3 player all the time too.

In writing this, a couple of ways it could be used occurred to me. Question
is, did it sound good? In the classical realm, there's some Ravel that does
that, but I can't recall which pieces.

Clif

[Peter Grey]

Post by Jurupari
I haven't heard it, but the notes in question are blue notes.

I know what blue notes are and these ain't them... These are two voicings
played right over each other. The organ player plays a minor 7 chord and
the guitar player comes in with minor triad and then does a hammer-on up to
the major third. The minor chord tonality is established first by the B3
player and then the guitar player plays a major third. It just sounds ...
wrong.

Post by Jurupari
In writing this, a couple of ways it could be used occurred to me.

Question

Post by Jurupari
is, did it sound good? In the classical realm, there's some Ravel that does
that, but I can't recall which pieces.

It doesn't sound good. I'm betting that if Ravel were playing guitar on
this gig, he'd play a minor third.

Peter

[Jurupari]

Post by Peter Grey
I know what blue notes are and these ain't them... These are two voicings
played right over each other.

ok, but the major third and minor third are a pair that circumscribe the
neutral third, which is one of the blue notes. I expect that's where the 7aug 9
chord comes from in blues, the attempt to make the third sound neutral.

All that said, if it sucked, it sucked, but the device doesn't - that's used
all the time.

Probably invadvertantly on Elvis shows wnen they do the second hit of the
'2001' intro into that segues into CC rider.

Now that sucks even if you do it right! :o)

Clif

[Michael Nickolas]

Post by Peter Grey
There's a blues singer names Susan Tedeski (sp?) who's been getting some air
play locally.

Susan is from the Boston area. Pretty sure she went to Berklee, she
used to sit in with my band many years ago. I also think she is a
recent Grammy winner... doing quite well for herself.


Michael Nickolas
www.studionineproductions.com

[thom_j]

Post by Jack Zucker

Post by Peter Grey
That's funny! Riviera Paradise makes me nuts to listen to - it's my least
favorite song of SRV's. In general I really like SRV's playing, but to me
he sounds lost on this tune and just noodling.
Peter

The sad part is that I'm a *HUGE* SRV fan. That's one of the few cuts I
don't like all the way through but parts of that tune are great too. Just
the soloing, particularly over the Dm7-G7 and Cm7-F7 (using E blues licks)
is bad.

Do you Jack, or anyone know of any guitar player who has played this
version correctly(if you will?) verses SRV's version. I'd like to hear the
difference..tia.. thom_j.

Post by Jack Zucker
If only he'd dropped down a step and played the right blues scale. With a
little homework, he could have pulled it off. Larry Carlton does some
wonderful stuff using blues scales based on the 5th of a min7 chord and the
b3 of a 7th chord. That's probably beyond SRV's jazz ability but at the very
least he could have played the blues scale with the tonic as the root of
each II chord in the sequence. I guess it goes to show the blues/rock
approach of finding out what "key" a song is and just sticking with one
tonality for the same song.
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Post by Jack Zucker
My favorite was the E blues licks over the Cm7 F5 in Riviera Paradise...
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Post by GGarava352
sounds just a bit jazzier than your typical blues. I have always thought
Stevie's "Stangs Swang" was his jazziest effort but I am a blues

player.

Post by Jack Zucker
What

Post by thomas

Post by GGarava352
do you jazzer's think of "Stangs Swang"?

I never heard that one, but he did cover a Kenny Burrell tune and
did a credible job. SRV was also on a Blue Note record on a sax
player whose name I am spacing right now.

[Max Smith]

Post by JW
Check out this song by a guitarist named Jon Finn!
http://www.jonfinn.com/mp3/09_stevieRayVaughan.mp3
Take Care;
Jim

Duke Robillard is one good "blues" guy that sounds good playing jazz
(primarily swing).

I don't care for SRV's *jazz* excursions either - he was best playing
blues loud and strightforward.

[Jack Zucker]

P.P.S.

On Rodney Jones' "Soul Manifesto Live", he does a rendition of "Come on baby
light my fire" in which he plays a ton of SRV licks. Of course, he can make
the changes with them... :-)
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Post by JW
Check out this song by a guitarist named Jon Finn!
http://www.jonfinn.com/mp3/09_stevieRayVaughan.mp3
Take Care;
Jim

Duke Robillard is one good "blues" guy that sounds good playing jazz
(primarily swing).
I don't care for SRV's *jazz* excursions either - he was best playing
blues loud and strightforward.
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[Max Smith]

If Stevie Ray Vaughan Went to Berklee and Studied Jazz...

He would have been picked up by Gary Burton instead of Metheny and I
wouldn't have had to play "Phase Dance" 3678 times in the late
'70s/early '80s.

[Jack Zucker]

Instead you would have played Pride and Joy 3678 times! :-)
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Post by Max Smith
If Stevie Ray Vaughan Went to Berklee and Studied Jazz...
He would have been picked up by Gary Burton instead of Metheny and I
wouldn't have had to play "Phase Dance" 3678 times in the late
'70s/early '80s.
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[Max Smith]

Post by Jack Zucker
Instead you would have played Pride and Joy 3678 times! :-)

So you *were* stalking me during the '80s, Jack!

I played them both 3678 times*!

That would be a good thread - songs you've played and played until they
no longer have any meaning to you - like the post a while back about
repeating a word or phrase over and over eventually makes it sound like
total gibberish.

(*the number 3678 is not intended to be an exact count but an
illustrative exaggeration.)

[thom_j]

Post by Max Smith
(*the number 3678 is not intended to be an exact count but an
illustrative exaggeration.)

An over illustrative exaggeration or under? 8^)'.. curious tee'jay

Post by Max Smith
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